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Thanks for that revelation. Mattias Bjärnemalm seems to be a "bread-piracy". Have done paid career in pirate operations. First Ung Pirat in Uppsala, then Permanent Secretary in Brussels.
It rubbed off part of his post on the Pirate Party forums again:

"..... After talking with various people who worked around him, it is for me not unreasonable that it could show up allegations of sexual harassment from all parts of the world."
That must surely count as obvious defamation of Assange? As Mattias Bjärnemalm puts in the mouth of people who worked in Assange's proximity: it's probably a thinly disguised reference to Anna Ardin and Anna Troberg.
Mattias follow both Anna Ardin and Marta Axner on twitter. And they follow him.
Mattias follow among others also Karin Olsson at Expressen, Paulina Neuding on Neo, Mymble and Johanna Koljonen (joxcy). And ofcourse he also follows Bildt on twitter.
He tweets especially happy with Isobel Hadley Kamptz.
https://twitter.com/_Mab_ .
The Pirate Party, and its two MEPs, have a unique and important position in the European Parliament. Included in the Green Group. It is well away from a defence of Assange / WikiLeaks could come?
It would be tragic if one of the Pirate Party office managers proves a thoroughbred opportunists who engage in slander when it suits his purposes. Christian Engström and Amelia Andersdotter: replace him now.

Hejhej, it is I who is Amelia Andersdotter. I have no plans to replace Mattias Bjärnemalm, think your assessment of what he tweets with the above is childish, and it is perfectly reasonable that a person's greatness and contribution to an area (of speech) should not forgive that person for others, less acceptable activities, such as sexual harassment or violence.

Parliament can not interfere in legal disputes at Member State level. The tools we could use the written questions to ensure us that the other EU institutions are aware of the matter - none of them have the skills to put himself in the right time in the member states (in this case the United Kingdom and Sweden), so it is the question of what effect it might have.

Various issues highlighted in the case of WikiLeaks, such as when payments via PayPal and Visa ceases to go through to the account holder, the relevant issues to address when Parliament deals with the issues. Why are blocked Assange but not Viagra scammers who send payments via VISA to Azerbaijan? This type of links between specific aspects of the WikiLeaks scandal and parliamentary work makes Christian and I in our daily work.

To help you on flashback, I have identified a number of policy areas that you can carry on constructive activities based in Assange härvan:

- Payment mechanisms. How should the contractual arrangements between payment service providers and customers work? What should be the political interference and when? How should the EU act when American policymakers seem to have much more right to ask breach than EU policymakers themselves? (Pirate Party are working on this aspect)

- Network security. What is the debate about network security out, and how we should act to ensure network security? Is it through the criminal proceedings or are there other measures that are better? Which actors in society have the greatest or shared responsibility to ensure that security is getting better? When is the pursuit of security perhaps even unnecessary? (Pirate Party are working on this aspect)

- Media freedom. How should we define the laws and rules for the media? Advertising in the media? Should we separate the different media from each other (printing press, blogs, television, radio, etc.)? How should the EU act in a Member State, such as Hungary, enacts a law that is very repressive towards the media? (Pirate Party are working on this aspect)

- The relationship between the various European legal systems. This question has been my colleague Christian Engström worked more with than me, and therefore probably better formulate the relevant policy issues. I would pre-tilt as they relate principles of criminal law in general, more than specific criminal laws eg sexual violence laws (ie, also applies to terrorist laws, shoplifting, etc. etc. - all situations where one or more parties involved in an activity that is criminally sanctioned in any Member State). If I remember correctly, the Pirate Party here defended an extradition to another Member State shall be made only if the person sought has the extradition order, justice on fairness grounds in the member state it is in (ie, a Hungarian publisher requested extradition from Sweden for crimes the Hungarian media law is extradited only if in Sweden finds the specified offense during the Hungarian media law reasonable) but I'm fuzzy on the details. (Pirate Party are working on this aspect)

- Sexual freedom. The extent to which there is a need for the community to design mechanisms for conflict resolution between the parties in the community who get into trouble over sexuality? How should society view of sexuality changed or improved? Where are the limits of violence as walking, or the boundaries of sexuality as such? (Pirate Party NOT work with this aspect, since we are down a political party)

If you think the latter question is important and relevant as in the Assange case, there are many organizations in Sweden that handles these issues. RFSL, ROKS and F! are a few I can spontaneously think of. Oscar Swartz has been very active in this debate, as Johanna Sjodin. I hope you can see this as a constructive and helpful posts that will help you better focus policy efforts and discussions where they are needed.

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That you in bantering terms call Trx too childish, I can at a pinch endure, but Bjarne Mattias Malm showcases an unusually jaundiced, musty and poorly anchored view of reality, I do not!

"Well, since I do not, harboring too highly of Assange after talking with various people who worked around him, it is for me not unreasonable that it could show up allegations of sexual harassment from all parts of the world. Should that happen I do not see why Sweden would help but leave him out of Britain accepted such an extradition. "

These formulations that formed the basis for my twitter, my protests and my invitation to you to throw out Bjarne Ore stands. His statement is not only insulting to Assange, the breathing is also a musty old-fashioned and prejudiced view of men and sex. It is of course up perfectly free to drop by Mattias loyal, but in my world, he has spent his political capital and you are about to do the same by taking him in defense.

PP has fundamentally changed since Falkvinge left and you acknowledge and perpetuate the very clearly the new line. You just like Bjarne Ore makes the fatal mistake of judging based on hearsay, you are saying that Assange did less pleasant things such as "sexual harassment or violence."

You know as well as I do that two days after the alleged rape of Anna Ardin eaten a dinner with the Pirate Party (Anna Troberg and Rickard Falkvinge, etc.) There are pictures where a smiling Anna just accepted to become press secretary for Wikileaks while server contract Google me PP. Anna Troberg has previously blocked nose in this mess, and that EMA blogged and even defended their position here on FB. Assange is not charged and I suspect that you and I believe that the presumption of innocence exists and that Assange should be considered innocent until any prosecutions against him. To be sentenced, he must be convicted. To be convicted he must be tried. To be tried he must be charged. He is not.

Pirate Party's task is not to poison the debate by the statement of the type Bjarne Ore represents the contrary watch the debate with healthy eyes and protect freedom issues that reasonably should be your warm heart.

Finally, the link to the left movement and extreme feminism that made common cause in an epic slander campaign against Assange with its beginnings in prataomdet campaign there right Isobel Hadley Kamptz, Mattias Malm Bjarne twitter friends played a central role in the massive vilification of Assange. The last stunt was that Martin Fredriksson from stone and brandbomskastar left over Piscatusflagg gave the Swedish Amnesty and hit a wedge between the international and the Swedish part successfully. This, together with Anders Eriksson and Daniel Swedin prominent Socialists profiles. The formulations which were not different from those Mattias presented in his speech. Note that as Mattias Malm Bjarne expressed condescending about was discontinued after one day of prosecutor Eva Finné, when crime was not committed. Only after an appeal from Claes Borgström on behalf of Anna Ardin resumed the case of Marianne Ny. Registration opens with an elaborate extortion from the plaintiffs by Donald Bostrom on the requirements for an STD test (Sexually transmitted disease) or they would report him. There is enough ambiguity in this story not by slanders anticipate a possible prosecution. Nobody knows namely today was going to end.

Ankdammen is not great and you Swedish Pirate Party Rochester paddles in the middle of it. Brussels may seem far away in time, but the political reality can quickly make itself felt. If you have any political self-preservation, I assume that you understand the seriousness of the incident and shows the ability to take action, but mainly remorse! The power of rapidly communicating this and reach out and around to the next choice should be up closer to our hearts than a half stifled attempts to try to limit the damage Mattias Malm Bjarne caused. Bjarne Malm changes in his remarks during the night reminiscent of Ardin's attempts to delete twitter notification. The reality is already here and trying to change it is not. Bjarne Malmsteen and now the Pirate Party will inevitably associated with his statement if nothing is done to take away from the statement.

You talk at the end about the sexual freedoms and those who consider it important to pursue these issues. Questions that you do not drive, and so you give examples of organizations that can address these issues. Against this background seems Bjarne Mattias Malm statement than much more remarkable, rejection from him on the motion and granting the extradition was in fact based on just these issues. Mattias has through his writing demonstrated an unusually putrid sight and a great deal of prejudice they are of such importance that they can not be left without a clear repudiation. How you choose to handle this internally is obviously a demand for the Pirate Party. I do look forward to a clear clear and official answer from you regardless of the outcome. The scales on your side is your credibility, on the other my any voice.

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Hello Flashback. (Mab)

I'm not all too often in and write here, but since I had the great honor to be mentioned, I could hardly resist.

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Originally Posted by es Flashback bites, so this looks Mattias Bjärnemalms posts like today like today passed 12 hours later! Damage control, but too late, he would not say so in the first position, ugh huh embarrassing! The new svammlet of smugglers and banrånarturné in southern Sweden, if possible, even more confused.

I agree that the ramblings of smuggling and bank mug tour is confusing. If you look at the party forum, however, you see that it's not me who wrote the piece, but it's a quote from another participant who wrote the piece, and that they are written by me is:

"I understand your ambition to not define your claim to something specific.

I hope that you understand that the choice not to do so makes it impossible for me to vote for the motion. "

It was not some form of damage control, and do not attempt to change the position from my previous post. If you find it so either I'm bad at writing clearly, or lack your reading comprehension. Given your confusion that I quote texts in my posts on Pirate Party forum despite the clear quote box seems likely that in this case believe that the case of the latter.

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Originally Posted by es I maintain, Apologize and resign!

No, I'm not going to apologize. However, you can get to apologize for your hateful tone if you want. Or do we live only with other people express things you do not like but you have to start shouting that the other should apologize. When I start insulting your mother is the mode for you to start shouting that I should apologize. Until then, it is probably easiest if you just tags down.

Ah've no plans to resign. But it would be nice to know what it is you think I should resign from? My entry in the pirate party administration? My job for the Party in Brussels? (In which case you should ask me to resign from my job, not that I should resign).

As for my job, it is probably not much you can do but the decision lies in the hands of my boss, who did not seem to think that my views on this issue are grounds for dismissal.

As for my assignment in the party executive, however, you have some more opportunities. It is free for you to join the party and exercise to our membership meeting in the spring that I shall be dedicated. so the question is covered there. It does require a bit more work than writing imperative in a forum, but do you feel so strongly about the issue maybe it is worth it?

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Originally Posted by es For those of you who missed the event took Rixstep on saving the goodies for posterity!

I think that if you want to see the big picture, better read it directly on pirate party forum. It also teaches saved for posterity. All I have left is untouched there.

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Originally Posted by trx I think that's a shame. Bjärnemalm is careless, does in fact guilty of slander by claiming that Assange probably made himself skydlig to six offenses in a number of other places around the globe.

I'm pretty sure I manage to move within the confines of what is not classified as criminal libel. Which seems like a good thing, I'm generally against unnecessary restrictions on freedom of expression. And the day it becomes illegal to claim that it is not unreasonable to believe that anyone could be accused of a crime we have in my opinion been too big restrictions on what we are allowed to say. I actually thought that people here in flashback would not be so quick to play the slander card, but it's refreshing to see that even I can be wrong sometimes.

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Originally Posted by trx To corroborate the accusation, he refers to people who have worked in Assange's vicinity. He thus points to Anna Ardin and Anna Troberg. Anna Troberg himself has blogged that it is important for her that she did not take a stand on the question of guilt because she is a witness. Mattias Bjärnemalms comment would be somewhat of a stab in the back for her?

Your claim that I suggest Anna Ardin and Anna Troberg would be logically correct if it was so that they were the only two people I talked on Assange. Now you happen to not be the case. I have not at all discussed the debt issue with Ardin, but only how the case affected her as a person. When it comes Troberg, I can not remember that I would have talked to her about Assange whatsoever beyond that I mentioned to her that I appreciate that she distinguishes between Assange and WikiLeaks in his lyrics about the whole thing.

My picture of Assange based on discussions with a few people around him. All of these have since stated that although they do not believe that Assange did something illegal, they are not surprised by the reports, and suggested that Assange might not always so good at relating to women. My very personal conclusion was that it led to the police reports in Sweden it is not unreasonable to think that it could lead to police reports or other places.

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Originally Posted by trx Yes, You are partly right in. In my defense I can say that I tried to get a handle on what the people are like Mattias has contact with and who worked in Assange's vicinity. Anna A and Mattias was mutual twitter buddies of course proves nothing. But it will surely correct inappropriate to Mattias takes a stand on the question of guilt, right?

I do not twitter friends with Ardin. I know her privately for a number of years back.

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Originally Posted by trrx Thanks for that revelation. Mattias Bjärnemalm seems to be a "bread-piracy". Have done paid career in pirate operations. First Ung Pirat in Uppsala, then Permanent Secretary in Brussels.

If you are the bread-piracy mean I since mid september paid by one of our european parliament so does it well. I was also remunerated at half-time in the last two of the twenty-eight months I was National Secretary for the young pirate (prior to that there was no money to compensate board one). In fact, one might expect in the year I was fee (equivalent student) of the Student Union for the position of Vice President for my bread-pirate career. For the record, I was under a mandate from Pirate students in Uppsala.

Averaging it out my bread spirit a month since I became active in the party in april 2006, so will probably be concluded that bread-piracy hardly a luckruativ career path. So it's not something I would recommend to anyone else unless you are really passionate about the party.

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Originally Posted by trx Mattias follow both Anna Ardin and Marta Axner on twitter. And they follow him.

I'm also friends with them on Facebook. And know them private. And they know me.

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Originally Posted by trx Mattias follow among others also Karin Olsson at Expressen, Paulina Neuding on Neo, Mymble and Johanna Koljonen (joxcy). And he follows the course also Bildt on twitter.

I follow 1095 people on twitter. Bildt is a bit of a disappointment, but he can hang on because he sometimes manages to be a bit småfyndig. The other four are usually interesting to follow and I can warmly recommend them all. Mymble and Joxcy I have also met afk, and they are both very nice.

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Originally Posted by trx He tweets especially happy with Isobel Hadley Kamptz.

I not only tweet to her. We even had a picnic in Almedalen last summer where we discussed politics, philosophy and a number of other nice discussion.

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Originally Posted by trx It would be tragic if one of the Pirate Party office managers proves a thoroughbred opportunists who engage in slander when it suits his purposes.

That I agree with. Given that Assange is worshiped as a god by many in pirate circles, I can safely say that I proved myself to be anything but an opportunist who have gone out and spoken against me that the party should support the individual Assange (however, I have expressed my views on the continued support for wikileaks (I know the equation is tricky for some of you to relate to, but you do not believe that it is possible to combine the positions, you just need to believe that I believe it)).

A true opportunist in pirate movement should probably keep quiet about Assange altogether until the case arrived somewhere and then beat their chests and say "what was that I said" quite regardless of outcome.

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Originally Posted by trx Christian Engström and Amelia Andersdotter: replace him now.

I am the only employee of Amelia Andersdotter and works in her office. It is thus only one who can decide if I'm going to keep working or not.

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Originally Posted by es His statement is not only insulting to Assange, the breathing is also a musty old-fashioned and prejudiced view of men and sex.

Wow, how do you mean? I have always seen myself as fairly progressive attitude towards men and sex, but can the safe be wrong about that.

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Originally Posted by es in my world, he has spent his political capital

I think your world is pretty small, and not particularly relevant in the case my potential political capital. Unfortunately for you, good for me.

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Originally Posted by es The Pirate Party is wrong Pirate Party has lost touch with the platform That once put Them in Parliament.

I do not remember that our platform ever been about Assange.

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Originally Posted by es . I look forward to election night when the bill for feminist entrism comes and it's time to pay. Anna Troberg, Amelia Andersdotter Bjarne Mattias Malm then your time at the fleshpots past.

MJA, the next election is a European election, and it went well last time, so we'll see. For us three you mention are Troberg the only "newcomer" in the party (she became active around 2008). Both I and Andersdotter has been around since 2006, so we worked with entrism was enormously well-planned long in advance.

Furthermore, I doubt that you can do much about my place in the fleshpots if I would like to hang. As it stands now teaches German Pirate Party thunder into Parliament no matter how it goes for the Swedish in the next election. And given that I both have very good contact with a large number of German pirates who are most focused on the EU, and that I am one of the few pirates to possess experience of how it works, working as a pirate in the Parliament, it is not particularly difficult for me to ensure that I can continue as bread-piracy if it's what I want, even after the next European elections.

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Originally Posted by dq so you go in and change in their descriptions of best Ardin Style.

Who has changed in the writing was? The only thing I've seen on it is Espressinos inability to find in our forum. The link to the text that would have changed is above in my post.

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Originally Posted by dq You have had more than one year in which to do something, instead of popping up on your Mac and other places only with the purpose to stain a guy who only wanted for questioning

Now Amelia certainly talked to people here in flashback continuously since she took office, and that she (and now I) popped up in this thread is about that we were drawn into it by others wrote about us in the thread, not that we went here on our own pleasure (although I actually like the forum debates a lot).

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Originally Posted by es Spell fördumsfull so if one is PP?

That is how the word is spelled in Swedish. Someone is prejudiced if he thinks something is prejudiced. If you check my tweet aimed "prejudiced" back on the word "it" and is thus properly bent. I often careless with språker on twitter, but this was not such a case.

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Originally Posted by es In Mattias eyes Assange guilty of any

Well, that is not entirely good, if you do not "guilty of something" mean that he is obliged to have a lousy relationship with women and a somewhat large possess. For I can probably say with some emphasis that he is guilty. Now, however, it is not illegal in itself.

In the case of any offense, it is in my eyes not unlikely that Assange could be guilty. But since my experience is a case in a legal gray area in terms of consent, I am very careful not to argue one way or the other about it. My hope is that it will be expelled by a criminal who might and might not lead to prosecution.

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Originally Posted by es and he thinks it is his duty and counter-arguments on a motion asserting this as a reason to uphold the expulsion of a man who may be in a black hole in the U.S. never to be heard of.

Uh, no. Regardless of everything else I do not want to see Assange extradited to the U.S. for his work with WikiLeaks. There is no member of the party meeting urged that the party should be for a penalty, and had someone suggested it, I would emphatically argued against such a proposal.

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Originally Posted by Heets What contacts did the Pirate Party with Brother creators 2010?

I do not think Amelia Andersdotter is the right person to answer that question because she was in 2010 in Belgium with relatively little contact with the party leadership in Stockholm. While I was abroad at the time, but had some contact privately with Ardin which of course worked for Brother creators at the time. However, we had no calls concerning our respective organizations as I can remember, and everything was arranged on Assange's visit to Sweden and the link between it and the Pirate Party is said to have gone through Rick Falkvinge is my educated guess. Although any conversation with Brother creators said to have gone that route.

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Originally Posted by TheF Say! What have you "heard"

At the risk of getting more accusations of slander thrown at me, I've heard about the following things from people who worked with wikileaks (none of the following are exact quotes, but my memory experience of a number of conversations):

* The fact that Assange is sexist
* The fact that Assange is characterized by the Australian gender roles that were more or less ounvikliga colliding with the Swedish gender norms.
* The fact that Assange is a notorious womanizer and that he treats the women he surrounds himself harm.
* The fact that Assange is paranoid.

There are probably more that I missed, but that's good outline. And from the conclusion that his actions could lead to complaints of a country, it is not unrealistic to imagine that it could pop up notifications in other countries. This is irrespective guilt of the notifications made in Sweden.

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Originally Posted by Tul Many who are familiar with Assangeaffären learn not to put their voice on the PP for the next election if the board is not replaced.

Without detracting from any single voice, I thought thread consensus was that there are many who are familiar with Assangeaffären:-P

That said, replacing pirate party administration on an ongoing basis because we are sitting on time-bound mandate. My term on the board expires last december 2013 and I will not stand for re-election. So if my directorship in any way prevent you from voting on the pp, you can feel calm.

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Originally Posted by  jAnnars you will have to present hard facts such as the majority of women who Mattias Bjärnemalm referring to the victims of sexual crimes by Julian Assange

I would like to see some hard facts about where I claimed such a thing. A detached sense out of context seems to be a bit too little to go on to require provisions and poodles.

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Originally Posted by In On topic: Would not Assange to notify Andersdotter for defamation? Have Asaange said anything in the past week?

Sure he can. Given what you are discussing in this thread, you should be well aware of that it is very easy to notify anyone. Given where you discuss this topic, however, you should be happy that defamation laws are not to any great extent restrict what people can say about others. So if Assange would choose to make a complaint teach it to be closed faster than he can say "asylum in Ecuador."
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